“Lynn Margulis stated about 9/11 the identical types of issues that you simply talked about folks like her have been saying about AIDS, which is that, if this stands, it’s the demise of science. Purpose and details aren’t going to matter anymore when one thing this clearly flawed is pressured down everyone’s throats.”
Ex-MSM journalist Celia Farber was pals with the late, nice biologist Lynn Margulis, who memorably wrote: “The 9/11 tragedy is essentially the most profitable and most perverse publicity stunt within the historical past of public relations.” Margulis, a Nationwide Medal of Science winner, said greater than as soon as on my radio present that because of the scientific group’s tacit acceptance of the ludicrous, physically-impossible official story of 9/11, “science is lifeless.”
So who killed science, and why? Lynn Margulis knew that 9/11 and its criminally fraudulent coverup was simply an excessive instance of the deep-seated corruption that has crept into the American scientific group. One other stunning instance, well-known to Margulis and different scientific luminaries however largely ignored by most people, is the long-running dispute across the causes and coverings for AIDS. Many years in the past, mainstream journalist Celia Farber reported on the efforts of Lynn Margulis and so many different scientists to debunk what they noticed because the scientifically-baseless insistence that “HIV causes AIDS.” Farber, and the scientists whose work she lined, have been focused by a vicious smear marketing campaign not not like these endured by 9/11 fact advocates.
After COVID grew to become a kind of AIDS 2.0, Farber acknowledged that the issue was even greater and uglier than she had realized. That stimulated her curiosity in red-pill views on the whole, and finally led her to simply accept my request for an interview. Beneath is a transcript of our dialog. -KB
I’m on the net at kevinbarrett.substack.com. And I’ve had the nice luck to speak to a whole lot of actually fantastic, attention-grabbing folks by means of the years—the free and unbiased thinkers who query dogmas about all types of occasions, 11th of September and COVID being two of the massive ones. Now I’m speaking with someone who truly was round again within the days while you have been allowed to query a few of these issues somewhat bit greater than you at the moment are, and even publish within the mainstream media about them.
My visitor right now is Celia Farber. She is properly generally known as the journalist who broke one of many largest tales of my lifetime, which is that the official model of the AIDS epidemic may be very probably flawed, and even worse. That is one thing I’ve been listening to for many years. I adopted it somewhat bit again on the time. And later I met Lynn Margulis, the nice biologist, who crammed me in somewhat bit extra.
One of many cool issues about doing what I do is that so most of the finest folks such as you (Celia) have to finish up on my present as an alternative of being on 60 Minutes or one thing and having that vast mainstream viewers that you simply actually deserve primarily based on the work that you simply’ve performed. However I assume I can’t complain. The mainstream’s loss is my acquire.
So the place will we begin? You talked about in our pre-broadcast dialog that the AIDS state of affairs was actually a form of a prequel to the COVID pandemic. I used to be kind of marginally conscious of your work again in within the 80s and 90s. I did dwell in San Francisco from 1981 by means of 1993. I knew folks with AIDS and I adopted the dialogue within the mainstream and different media round it, and I’m positive I did see a good bit of your work.
I obtained the gist of it again then. After which I reviewed it somewhat bit with Bobby Kennedy’s ebook (The Actual Anthony Fauci) and Ron Unz’s arrticle which emphasised the AIDS facet of Bobby Kennedy’s ebook on COVID.
In order that’s my background on that challenge. And I’m questioning, what led you down that path of turning into the one journalist who’s keen to query AIDS? I don’t suppose you have been the one one, however you have been in all probability the main one. So how did that occur?
Yeah, it’s filled with, I assume I’d say, what looks as if fluke occasions. However I’ll inform you the way it started. So I did my first work on this in a rock journal I’d not have anticipated you to have been essentially studying, Spin Journal…
I’ve learn it. And I’ve learn Creem and Rolling Stone. I used to learn rock magazines.
There you go, yeah. So Spin got here out in 1985 as a contender to Rolling Stone. I assume I’d say a form of enfant horrible. It was presupposed to be extra edgy, extra… actually not punk, however extra… keen to confront and tip sacred cows. That was a part of Spin’s authentic id, which is why I known as someday and stated I’d like to come back as an intern. This was as early as 1985. And one of many causes I wished to work there may be I learn their lengthy articles, actually spectacular exposé items, by a person named Robert Keating, who later grew to become my editor on sacred cow topics corresponding to Reside Assist. He did an enormous expose of the darkish secrets and techniques, the underbelly behind the PSYOP, behind Reside Assist, and the way it was not what it appeared, and didn’t obtain what it claimed to attain. And others related exposés.
I used to be simply again within the States. I used to be born in the USA, however my mom was Swedish and took us, me and my sister, to Sweden after I was 11. We have been raised there, and I got here again right here after I was virtually 19. I suppose I used to be round 20 after I began at Spin.
A few yr later, I used to be in school and I used to be an intern at Spin and I used to be in coaching about tips on how to do investigative journalism with Bob Keating and others on the journal. And I had an obsession on the time, an obsessive curiosity in AIDS. And actually, at the moment, it was pushed by my whole perception in the entire thing. I believed in what was then known as the tertiary mannequin of transmission, which meant just about all of us have been within the internet. If you happen to had ever been with someone who “ticked any of the next packing containers,” tertiary transmission meant three folks out, you have been going to be marked for demise, and would in all probability flip up HIV constructive and die.
Folks don’t keep in mind how intensely they initially sounded the HIV-AIDS demise gong. They have been utterly fabricated fashions of each transmission and causation, all of it absolute fiction and fraud.
However on the time I used to be very scared. And I truly solely had one HIV check ever in my life. I believe that was in 1985. So the best way I labored by means of that worry was to analysis, analysis, analysis. And right here’s the place the maybe fluke, maybe not is available in. I noticed a difficulty of the New York Native on a newsstand in New York Metropolis. The New York Native was a literary weekly homosexual periodical, which again within the days earlier than AIDS had issues like exchanges between Tennessee Williams and Gore Vidal. A very attention-grabbing newspaper. And the writer, Charles Ortlieb, was actually the one who deserves credit score for kicking off this entire factor. As a result of he did a canopy that was a cut up cowl. And also you had Robert Gallo on one aspect, and Peter Duesburg, his, what let’s say, nemesis, on the opposite aspect. And Gallo’s quote was, “HIV kills like a truck.” He had some quote about Clark Kent, it could kill Clark Kent, one thing like that. That’s how Gallo spoke. After which he had Duesburg on the opposite aspect saying, “HIV is innocent. I wouldn’t thoughts being injected with it.”
And so I finished on the street and I stated, wow, now that’s a narrative.
Yeah, that was again when specialists have been allowed to have completely different opinions on medical points.
Properly, to some extent. For a quick second in a barely avant-garde weekly homosexual periodical in New York.
Properly, hey, if it’s obtained Gore Vidal and Tennessee Williams…
The Native was finally bullied and drummed out of enterprise by ACT UP, the pharmaceutical-promoting AIDS activist group that’s deeply misunderstood by virtually everyone.
A forerunner of Antifa, in all probability.
Yeah, there you go. So what I did was I positioned a name to Peter Duesburg’s lab at Berkeley. He was unbuttering his personal bread or sawing off the glory department he was sitting on. As a result of even earlier than this, he scotched a possible Nobel Prize he would have shared with a most cancers virologist named Peter Vogt if he had simply gone together with “sure, we’ve discovered an oncogene, a cancer-causing gene.” However he stated, “no, it’s not a trigger. We’re not there.”
And so what I heard is that they didn’t get the Nobel as a result of Peter Volk himself disproved what they have been going to get it for, and Peter Volk by no means spoke to him once more. So you have got this scientifically classically pure particular person, Peter Duesburg, after which you have got Robert Gallo, who’s, in distinction to all of that, he’s…I wish to attempt to discover the correct phrases for Gallo. He’s laborious to explain, however I’ll simply say he was related to, even then, an entire collection of…it’s like scientific used automobile salesmanship, making an attempt to push, push, push so-called viruses—I’ve to say so-called viruses—that he stated got here out of his lab that he was making an attempt to pin promiscuously on all types of diseases and cancers and leukemias. None of it made any sense. And he was form of generally known as like, oh, right here comes Gallo once more, making an attempt to pin one in all his viruses on some illness so he can get the glory.
So in a dramatic sense, in a form of Shakespearean sense, these two are very, very reverse in character. They have been pals, truly. They have been contemporaries and colleagues. And Gallo at one level launched Peter Duesburg saying, “the person you’re about to listen to from in all probability is aware of extra about retroviruses than any man alive.”
So that is the early drama. So I place a name to Peter Duesburg’s lab. And at this level, I believe I’m working at Spin as a analysis assistant. And the writer stated “AIDS is the Vietnam of our era and I’m going to decide to it, and I wish to make a month-to-month column, and also you, Celia, will carry within the materials for the column. Bob Keating shall be your editor, and the journal goes to dedicate itself to this.” So the writer, Bob Guccione Jr., and I have been like-minded with our fascination with this Duesberg story.
The very first thing that occurred was that my fast editor stated, “no, we’re not doing this. And let’s not speak about it once more. And subsequent month, you’re going to do dolphins and AIDS.” That is what I keep in mind (was occurring) on the time. It’s all like PSYOPs developing, Haitians and AIDS, bathroom seats and salad, all of the methods you could possibly catch AIDS.
However I had already positioned the decision to Peter Duesburg, and lengthy story brief, he known as me again early one morning. I jumped away from bed, turned on the tape recorder, interviewed him, transcribed it straight away, and put it beneath the writer’s door. The editor-in-chief known as me and stated, “that is a very powerful interview I’ll ever publish.” He was over the moon about it, how vital, how thrilling, how that is the form of journalism he wished to do.
And so it ran, to the nice consternation of just about the entire remainder of the workers, which started a few years of very traumatic hassle for me, each at that journal and in every single place else. However we had this soccer, we weren’t going to drop it. And, and so after that one, one other journalist did a second column. The column grew to become named “Phrases from the Entrance.” And the second column was Gallo simply ranting and cursing a blue streak towards Peter Duesburg. He additionally known as me on the journal and scolded me in very paternal tones: “What do you suppose you’re doing? Do you suppose you’re going to get a journalistic profession out of this? Do you wish to be like Barbara Walters? How do you suppose you’re going to get to be like Barbara Walters? Do you suppose it’s by doing issues like this?”
Profession recommendation from Gallo.
Profession recommendation from Gallo. And the darkly comical factor is he was completely right, that it was (profession) demise.
He “simply cared about your well-being.”
So off we went. We had set sail after which I used to be—you stated “you in all probability weren’t the one one” and certainly I wasn’t, however Spin journal must be categorised as a mainstream periodical finally. It was mainstream, however it was rock and roll. It was not as mainstream as Rolling Stone, however nonetheless mainstream.
Rolling Stone was well-known for publishing Hunter Thompson. I keep in mind discovering that after I was in highschool and being very impressed. Rock magazines in these days have been truly…there have been attention-grabbing folks writing for them often.
Proper, precisely. And…there have been different folks. So within the UK, there was, I’ll simply title a number of names. Jad Adams wrote The HIV Fable as early as possibly 1987. Joan Shenton of Meditel in London did wonderful TV documentaries. So there have been only a few of us to start with and we have been all mainstream.
After which the hammer got here down. There have been many alternative hammers that got here down. The Spin column lasted truly 10 years earlier than main, main debilitating harassment kicked in within the type of harassing phony lawsuits. I’ve been by means of an terrible lot with this factor and it took me a very long time, I assume, to acknowledge that what I used to be doing was actually very harmful…and really inconceivable. However for a few years, I simply believed as quickly as folks see this set of details and that set of details…you in all probability know that hallucination, proper? That you simply suppose you’re so near breaking by means of and that is all going to turn out to be clear and everybody’s going to grasp.
So the work that I did was to interview the scientists who have been in opposition to Gallo’s idea. For them, it could be a stain on their scientific popularity and honor to not protest this factor. Like our mutual pal, Lynn Margulis. Carrie Mullis, who invented the PCR check. Walter Gilbert, Nobel Laureate. There have been a number of within the authentic signatories. There have been many lists, protest lists, letters to scientific journals, conferences.
This is sort of a misplaced conflict that folks don’t understand that it wasn’t only a media conflict. It was very a lot a scientific conflict, a battle that came about on the highest ranges of science. And the battle was misplaced by the so-called HIV dissidents. That’s no shock. Nevertheless it was a battle. And I chronicled that very unpopular, very stigmatized battle, which I discovered fascinating. And I couldn’t get sufficient of discovering these scientists and listening to them converse into my tape recorder about what they noticed. It was like a lamentation of the demise of American science in actual time. And so they have been saying, if this flies, this Gallo BS, then we’re performed. There are not any scientific requirements. There’s no nothing.
So basically I chronicled a doomed scientific conflict, not simply in the USA, however internationally. What I didn’t know I used to be chronicling was…it’s like we had the tail of the beast. We didn’t comprehend it was a beast. It wasn’t truly till 2020 that the complete beast grew to become clear to any of us, these of us who have been nonetheless alive. “Oh, that’s what it was resulting in.” And that’s why they hated us so ferociously, attacked us with such elaborate multimillion greenback applications to wipe us all out. And it was an elaborate…I assume I’d use the phrase, like if we might use a phrase like McCarthyism possibly, a couple of nationwide complete, not simply stigmatizing, however whole skilled exile system towards anyone who touched this, whether or not you’re a scientist or a journalist.
If you happen to’re a scientist, you’re going to get defunded. And in the event you’re excessive profile sufficient, like Duesburg, you’re going to turn out to be a René Girard straight-up scapegoat. And your title goes to be trashed and trashed and trashed for having questions on this.
In order that they very efficiently conflated questions on Gallo’s baseless HIV idea with being a horrible, horrible one that desires to kill gays and kill Africans. The stigma was very primitive and crude, however it labored. And any editor who took it on discovered in a short time, you’ll lose the whole lot. Drop the story.
So I used to be lucky or unlucky, typically I’m unsure which it was, to have a writer and an editor who owned his personal press. And so freedom of the press is restricted to those that personal one. And he stated, I’m not dropping the story.
In order that’s the way it all started. That’s what the primary 10 years have been like in Spin.
That’s a extremely a captivating episode. It raises questions not less than for me. I’ve agency views about various subjects that I’ve investigated to the purpose that I can form of get a deal with on what I believe is happening. And with this one I’m actually solely midway there. As a result of the connection between the AIDS deception—and by that deception, as I perceive it kind of the best way Duesburg did, that the proof that this virus has one-to-one causality with creating this factor known as AIDS doesn’t actually face up to scrutiny—however Gallo and plenty of, many others had an enormous private or monetary funding of some sort in pushing the hoax. And so they made some huge cash off it. It helped their careers and so forth. That I perceive.
After which additionally the truth that there’s a kind of a virus mafia on the market. As you stated, Gallo wished to pin the whole lot on this or that virus. So with COVID, OK, there’s actually a virus mafia concerned that’s doing acquire of perform, i.e. biowarfare analysis. Tony Fauci, who was concerned in each circumstances, grew to become a go-to biowarfare man when Nixon signed the conference, and so they needed to shut down all the official navy biowar applications, and so they went over to a disguised, supposedly civilian covert biowar program.
So there’s that organic warfare aspect, after which this concentrate on viruses with COVID. My studying of it’s that the more than likely rationalization for the place COVID got here from is that parts within the American deep state launched a organic assault on China designed to sluggish China’s economic system over the long run. That’s the most important geostrategic problem that the US faces: the economic-driven rise of China.
And the way that might relate to the AIDS state of affairs isn’t 100% clear to me. The propaganda methods of each crises actually are similar, proper? “You’re all going to die! Let’s whip everyone up into hysteria. No one’s allowed to ask questions.”
That’s a complete parallel. However is there a navy biowar element to the AIDS state of affairs? Or am I possibly misreading the COVID state of affairs? What’s the connection between the 2?
I don’t suppose you’re misreading. I do suppose your information of geopolitical dynamics is approach past mine. So I can’t actually say something very intelligible about that mannequin, what you simply stated about China. It sounds totally… What I can say, to again up what you’re saying, is the HIV mannequin, despite the fact that we mistook it for a baseless, flawed, absurd scientific mannequin, was a geopolitical navy…post-colonial, a mannequin of one thing that may obtain so many issues without delay. It was the reward that saved on giving. It achieved geopolitical targets. Let me begin with an instance, Africa. I crossed Africa for a month within the early 90s with Joan Shenton, who I discussed, and a scientist named Harvey Bialy. And it took a very long time to grasp that the agenda in Africa, and that is actually solely a part of it, is to have a mannequin for overtaking the highest corrupt authorities of African nations, and basically blackmailing them to terrorize their very own populations that they’re a hotbed of HIV-AIDS.
What will get achieved right here is depopulation, which is, as we all know, an enormous geopolitical a part of all of the completely different agendas. What additionally will get achieved is that we’re in these nations and we will basically take their sources. We management their elections, their politicians. We management their activism. Out of the blue all of it turns into implanted, artificial, you realize: AIDS activism, “give us medicine!”
And so you have got Africans who don’t have clear meals or water, fundamental life circumstances met, seeming to be clamoring for extra medicine from the West. I’m simply starting with some broad brushstrokes. This factor might accomplish that many issues. COVID… yeah, it’s all linked to the Pentagon, the conflict machine. HIV is the primary conflict machine-like idea in biology, the place it’s one trigger, it’s one goal, it’s one enemy, and anyone who stands in the best way of that…it’s a conflict metaphor for the human physique. Which isn’t in any respect how the human physique works or how nature works. There’s hardly ever if ever a single virus or organism that causes something. However they they made it similar to the conflict mentality. And this actually begins with additionally Richard Nixon and the cash he put towards the so-called conflict on most cancers.
I don’t suppose I actually answered your query, as a result of I don’t know the reply to your query, however I can say, sure, these fake artificial psyop diseases, weaponized so-called diseases—they’re not diseases, they’re projections of sickness that serve geopolitical functions.
That’s a captivating notion. Are you aware of Edward Haslam’s ebook, Dr. Mary’s Monkey? (Linking the JFK assassination to analysis on most cancers viruses, together with these inadvertently unfold by Nineteen Fifties polio vaccines.)
Yeah so I’ll say I’m aware of it and once more that’s form of the outer border of what my space of experience was. It was going round contained in the camps of American high-level science and scientists and documenting what their objections to Gallo’s idea was and why. And Africa specialists.
And so I documented the opposition extra, far more than I sought to doc what actually occurred—the crime scene, if you’ll. So I didn’t actually get into both biowarfare or, for instance, the idea concerning the hepatitis B vaccine, which I now suppose I ought to have paid extra consideration to. I used to be absolutely busy all these years simply chronicling the dissent and the conflict.
After which they form of put an finish to our entire…Our conflict with them, I’d say, resulted in 2008 for varied causes I received’t get into. After which there was only a silence actually till COVID in 2020.
It resulted in 2008. It ended with the demise of the highest-profile civilian HIV dissident. Her title was Christine Maggiore. And she or he was on the market as a really dynamic—she was previously from a company background. She examined HIV constructive many, a few years earlier than she discovered that there’s one other aspect to this.
She didn’t go on the medicine. She began campaigning for “learn, examine, get the opposite aspect of the story. You don’t should go on the medicine. You’ll be able to nonetheless get pregnant, have youngsters, breastfeed.”
So she was was a powerful campaigner for all of that. Once more, like all of us having no thought concerning the darkness of what we have been truly up towards.
She had two youngsters. She had a son who was on the time, I wanna say, round eight years previous, and her daughter three years previous. Out of the blue she fell sick with what appeared to be an ear an infection. And Christine, feeling very weak to accusations that she’s an AIDS denier and he or she didn’t check her youngsters and put them on AIDS medicine and so forth and so forth, went to 3 completely different pediatricians. And she or he simply felt that her little one was—one thing was actually flawed.
And one of many pediatricians prescribed an antibiotic known as amoxicillin. And whether or not that was the trigger or not, I don’t know, however the little lady vomited copiously and shortly thereafter died. Simply horrible, simply so devastating. This precipitated the very corrupt LA coroner…It took them a number of months to do it. Initially, the post-mortem stated that “we see no reason behind demise. We don’t know what the kid died of.” However they kicked it upstairs to a notoriously corrupt nook. I’m not going to call him proper now.
This individual was identified for placing particularly black and Hispanic dad and mom in jail for all times over yet one more politicized weaponized, a concocted syndrome generally known as shaken child syndrome. A whole lot of harmless dad and mom have gone to jail. Possible their youngsters had an inflammatory response within the mind from a vaccine, and so they went to jail for allegedly having shaken the newborn to demise in a rage.
And this can be a entire different industrial complicated. There’s truly a wonderful documentary about it. Anyway, Christine’s beloved little lady died, after which it took a number of months earlier than this corrupt coroner ginned up an post-mortem the place he discovered one protein someplace within the little one. The kid had an intact immune system by all accounts, nothing resembling AIDS in her mobile system, white cell counts intact. Every part was intact. And he ginned up that she had died of AIDS primarily based on discovering one protein that’s related to HIV, a set of proteins on the check. One in every of them is known as P 24. He says they discovered a P-24.
They then despatched the brand new revised, “the lady died of AIDS” post-mortem to the LA Instances, two Pulitzer Prize winners, who did a whole hit job on Christine on the quilt. And the quilt story learn, “A Mom’s Denial, a Daughter’s Dying.” And it completely lynched Christine as having allowed her daughter to die of AIDS due to her HIV denial.
That’s the kind of factor that among the COVID journalistic machine was doing too. I believe AIDS is possibly even, in the event you can think about it, form of darker even than COVID. The soiled methods have been even dirtier.
So Christine fought and fought them and tried to get the proper post-mortem experiences and show her innocence. And she or he was unable to undertake a baby as a result of they might Google and they might get that atrocious article. She confronted the journalists themselves. They even did a regulation and order episode about her that was written by intelligence brokers. The CDC has intelligence brokers and so they write scripts for tv in Hollywood, together with Regulation and Order, that push propaganda about all these items.
In order that they wrote an episode about an HIV denying mom. Her daughter dies and he or she’s on the witness stand for homicide. And she or he drops lifeless from AIDS proper there within the courtroom. And I begged Christine to not watch it. As a result of I started to grasp concerning the black magic and voodoo that they’re so expert at. She stated, “I’ve to observe it. I’ve to know, I’ve to struggle this. I’ve to know.”
She died three and a half weeks later. She had double bronchitis. She took a nap and he or she simply didn’t get up. She was simply completely exhausted.
In order that in fact grew to become “primary AIDS denier dies of AIDS.”
And there was no risk after that. The propaganda was so overwhelming that…yeah, it was simply over.
That’s too unhealthy. As a result of that story, for anyone with eyes open, would simply reveal the whole ethical chapter and sure mental chapter of the entire institution AIDS mafia.
An unimaginable mafia. What’s the coroner doing messengering that report back to the LA Instances earlier than the household has any thought? So Christine and her husband, they get a cellphone name from the LA Instances. “What do it’s a must to say concerning the new post-mortem report?” What new post-mortem report? “Oh, the one that claims your daughter died of AIDS.” And so they had no thought this had taken place.
So it’s so soiled. It’s so unimaginably rigged. And all of us who went by means of this, I’ve to say, we encountered a beast so darkish…it took so a few years to lastly settle for what all of you, and I’m talking now to all of us who fought this…we have been well-intentioned, however unbelievably naive.
Yeah, I can relate a few of that to what I skilled with the 9/11 fact motion. Such as you within the early days (of AIDS) I used to be shocked, across the finish of 2003, to find how apparent it was that critics of the 9 11 official story have been right, and that we had had managed demolitions in New York, and that one thing occurring on the Pentagon very completely different from what we have been instructed, and that the actual perpetrators have been clearly very completely different, form of the alternative social gathering, from the one which was being blamed.
And that this was truly so apparent that it needs to be very easy to persuade folks. Good folks–it’s best to be capable of persuade them virtually immediately. And everyone else, it shouldn’t take that lengthy both. So that you suppose, wow, that is unbelievable. We are able to change the world with this. And you then understand you’re up towards a really huge and highly effective machine that’s obtained extra sources and extra folks keen to do utterly unethical issues to assist it than you could possibly ever have imagined.
It’s like while you see applications a couple of girl who’s been topic to a stalker or one thing, and he or she says none of you perceive, it’s like he’s gonna…he’s already eight steps forward. He is aware of the whole lot about me. He’s going to get me this fashion. It’s deeply prison and deeply hidden. So I think about what you encountered was precisely what we encountered, specifically our pristine, unassailable, truthful details didn’t matter.
Lynn Margulis stated about 9/11 the identical types of issues that you simply talked about folks like her have been saying about AIDS, which is that, if this stands, it’s the demise of science. Purpose and details aren’t going to matter anymore when one thing this clearly flawed is pressured down everyone’s throats.
That’s proper. It set the ship adrift into the terrain which we’re now undoubtedly in, which is post-reality.
After which, in fact, they blame us, the questioners of mainstream narratives, for residing in a post-reality world, as a result of they think about that actuality is identical factor because the mainstream mythology. And now that that’s beneath query from all types of views, some extra defensible than others, no person can’t remember that there’s all this questioning of so many basic assumptions. And I believe the mainstream individuals are freaking out about that,, after which making an attempt to frantically put collectively mainstream actuality once more by silencing everyone who’s questioning something, whether or not they’re asking good questions or unhealthy questions, and whether or not they’re doing it rationally or irrationally. They only wish to silence everyone that’s elevating these questions.
What you went by means of as early because the 80s and 90s was actually forward of its time. My take at the moment was that a whole lot of very heretical views might nonetheless be tossed round. Like within the academy, my colleagues in universities largely understood that the JFK assassination was a coup d’etat and that the Warren Report and all that propaganda was corrupt nonsense. All people obtained that. No one was actually afraid to say it, though most individuals weren’t brave sufficient to make it what they did in life. However you could possibly speak about it within the college. You can you inform your college students “in fact I don’t consider the Warren Report.” All people would do this.
However then post-9/11, not a lot. I ended up getting form of lynched out of the College of Wisconsin only for being a trainer there who had questioned 9/11. And that shocked me. You can query JFK earlier than. Why can’t you query 9/11 now?
Yeah, I believe this can be a very attention-grabbing topic. The completely different fields of making an attempt to interrupt down…Let’s see, what we could name them? What would you name 11th of September, JFK? It’s like these monumental capstone trauma-inducing occasions… Mega coups. Which once we counter them turn out to be… Just like the completely different ranges of pariah standing assigned to the completely different topics. So that you’re saying JFK was not pariahed within the academy…
Proper.
Academically, you could possibly query JFK, however while you query 9/11, that was a pariah little one.
Proper. To some extent, with JFK, it was sufficient of a can of worms that, like I stated, most individuals wouldn’t make that the main target of what they did. And also you needed to be reasonably courageous to be generally known as someone who was serious about that matter and doing analysis on it. Nevertheless it wasn’t that taboo.
Mainly, nearly all of my tutorial colleagues in these days have been all conscious that it was probably a coup d’etat. And that wasn’t an issue. It was reasonably tabooed. However with 9/11, they launched that witch hunt, with me as the primary goal, in 2006. And so they actually did attempt to terrorize folks away from even bringing it up or being serious about it. They put an enormous scarlet letter on it. And so they actually did succeed to some extent in scaring away a lot of the teachers. Put up-2006, solely actually the courageous professors would share with their college students the truth that the official story of 9/11 is preposterous.
Yeah, that’s proper. I even have a reminiscence of being in Lynn Margulis’s automobile together with her in Amherst. This may have been possibly 2009. And I requested her, do you actually suppose 9/11 is crackable, breakdownable? And she or he stated, not in America, however in Europe, sure.
Sadly, Europe nowadays appears to be much more occupied each militarily and psychologically than it was then. The U.S. managed to overthrow Chirac, who was apparently a closet 9/11 truther and publicly against the assault on Iraq. And so they changed him with these puppets which were in control of France ever since. They’ve gotten management of the European leaders in varied methods. So sadly, I believe Lynn was proper again then that there was possibly a risk. However since then, such as you noticed with COVID, Europe was not marching to a special drum. They have been simply saluting the dominant American-based method to COVID.
Yeah, I believe all of those psychological operations flip up in all of those completely different nations with a slight twist that’s distinctive to the nation. Nevertheless it’s as if what everyone is aware of, within the choreography, is that if you wish to have a life in any respect, you go along with the official narrative. And if you wish to have a whole lot of issues, you begin asking questions. It’s not precisely the identical as folks saying “I consider the reality of the official narrative.” It’s simply the best way to dwell a life with out your life being a nightmare.
Yeah, though I’ve to confess that regardless of the assorted issues which have ensued from my getting concerned with 9/11, my life total has actually not been a nightmare in any respect. The nightmarish facets have been greater than balanced by the very rewarding facets of getting to fulfill folks such as you. I imply, Celia, I believe if I have been nonetheless educating medieval Sufi research on the College of Wisconsin or one thing like that, which might be what would have occurred if I didn’t get entangled on this, I in all probability by no means would have met you or Lynn Margulis for that matter. I obtained to fulfill this nice biologist…
I’ve to watch out utilizing phrases like very traumatic. It’s so attention-grabbing and filled with so many blessings.
I agree with you. I believe what I wrestle to form of confront or determine how or whether or not to articulate is how darkish and traumatic and terrorizing and terrifying all of it was for therefore a few years and the way many individuals died unusually, all of the issues that occurred. After which additionally ask the query, does it matter? Do it is advisable to return there? Is it price remembering that, desirous about it, or are you able to truly metamorphose out of that?
I don’t wish to keep in mind it, however I kind of really feel like, do I have to let folks know the actual underbelly or not? So you possibly can’t reply that for me, however I really feel like…Now what’s superb about this period, assembly you and the dialog we’re having, is now all of us converse the identical language. So I do know you guys are proper. we’re proper. I do know what they did to you. what they did to us. It’s the identical language.
Yeah, that’s proper. I believe the COVID freedom motion has opened up lots of people’s eyes to those different points as properly.
However with completely large, large rise in…. there wasn’t such a factor earlier than. It was at all times, “what do you imply? All people concerned is mendacity? You suppose each media outlet is mendacity?” We have been all so naive. And so now not less than a number of of the masks have fallen and a number of other have been actually… I’ve to take a step again and say to myself, cease saying you misplaced the conflict, as a result of there have been immense breakthroughs. The beast nonetheless has its boot on us, proper? However we will all discuss to one another now.
And I believe the trajectory of this conflict round AIDS and COVID has modified in a good approach for our aspect in that, as you say, after the AIDS battle was considerably misplaced, when it comes to simply AIDS itself….However then with COVID, it does appear to me that this fervent perception within the vaccines and in all the restrictions on what folks should say and the entire form of lemming-like habits that so many individuals have been inculcated with throughout COVID has waned fairly a bit. And people of us who have been skeptical about these vaccines and different countermeasures early on, I believe look higher now than we did then. In different phrases, I believe the trajectory is definitely in direction of the pendulum swinging in direction of the COVID skeptics. If we’re not precisely profitable, however nonetheless, no person desires to get extra boosters, proper? There’s a cause for that.
Yeah. I prefer to suppose so. And that’s what I noticed too. However the place there’s this lifeless elephant within the room that no person is aware of tips on how to confront, like the most recent horror stats popping out of Japan, out of Greece, folks dying at such a fee that even the highest authorities officers are form of throwing up their fingers. Like, “that is lifeless folks. I can’t cover this. What do I say? What do I do?” It’s popping out, however there’s no framework to, there’s no language for it. what I imply? It’s so unusual.
From form of the scientific data-driven method to it, it nonetheless appears that the query of how a lot of a mortality rise has there been and to what extent is it linked to COVID and/ or the vaccines, all of that, it appears, nonetheless hasn’t actually been properly resolved, partly as a result of the authorities don’t appear to need it to be properly resolved. As a result of, as I perceive it, after speaking to numerous specialists, folks like Meryl Nass, for instance, and plenty of others, it does appear that there’s knowledge that might reply these questions fairly rapidly. However that knowledge is proprietary and intently held by insurance coverage firms and the governments behind them. They don’t appear to actually wish to make public the vaxxed-versus-unvaxed research, identical to with different vaccine points as properly. Not one of the institution folks ever wished to do actually good, huge, large-scale vaxxed-versus-unvaxxed research to definitively reply questions on vaccine harms. And simply as in all these earlier circumstances of different vaccines with this COVID vaccine, it does look very suspicious that—somewhat than definitively answering these questions on how a lot of this alarming rise in mortality in varied components of the world is perhaps associated to the vaccines—plainly they don’t wish to reply that query. And that’s disturbing. However so far as what the main points are, to what degree mortality actually has risen as a result of COVID and or the vaccines, I’m nonetheless confused, open-minded, and mainly agnostic, listening to the arguments and unable to attract conclusions. How about you? Are you want my many pals who’re satisfied that there’s a transparent rise in mortality and the vaccines are clearly behind it, or not?
Sure, I’m satisfied. However right here’s the thriller, which I’ll concede to individuals who say, I don’t see it: Lots of people did simply tremendous. Folks both did tremendous and didn’t discover it or had a catastrophic (downside). I’m subscribed on completely different social media to threads that doc it, just like the “died instantly” kind of thread. I’m in discussion groups and textual content teams (by which) I’m inundated with the lifeless who have been injected. And I’ve reported and written on it. Mark Crispin Miller has an entire Died Out of the blue Substack. So, yeah, I subscribe to that. It’s overwhelmingly clear to me.
Let me put it this fashion. I see statistics on a regular basis. The opposite day I noticed a statistic—as a result of that is just like the age of the statisticians, proper? And so they’re at all times producing new statistical analyses. And I don’t actually suppose that’s the way you perceive a narrative. I’m not likely a statistics individual. Nevertheless it was one thing like a 15,000% enhance in sure sorts of cancers. I wish to attempt to discover one thing on my cellphone that I wish to learn to you. And I imply, this can be a entire can of worms. I believe possibly the rationale you’re, let me simply guess, the rationale you’re unsure, is since you additionally see a panorama by which lots of people are vaccinated and boosted and so they don’t have any sick results. Is that mainly it?
Properly, yeah. I’ve a whole lot of pals and folks I do know personally, each who did get vaxxed and who didn’t get vaxxed. And from that have, one unvaxxed man (John Shuck) died of COVID, one other (Robert David Steele) in all probability died of COVID, though they could have messed with him within the hospital. Anyway, primarily based alone private expertise, I’ve seen folks harmed by COVID. I had a reasonably nasty case of COVID myself, truly twice, actually nasty as soon as. I didn’t get vaxxed, in fact. And I’ve seen the expertise of vaxxed folks starting from those that had no sick results in any respect to some who did and have been hospitalized for COVID-like signs.
So anyway, simply primarily based on my expertise of the folks I truly know, in addition to wanting on the statistical sources, it’s left me considerably baffled. And I’d conclude that there appears to have been a significant downturn in public well being that’s persevering with now after the top of the so-called pandemic. What precisely is answerable for it? I’m not 100% positive. And like I stated, from the statistical perspective, what you’d need can be to only take a look at the information which can be already there and evaluate the vaxxed folks and their outcomes to the unvaxxed folks and their outcomes. However that’s what the medical industrial complicated won’t ever ever do for any vaccine. And it’s in all probability as a result of they know they’re not going to love what they discover in the event that they do it. They in all probability have performed it privately and so they know that in the event that they do it publicly, it’s unhealthy information for vaccines.
I’m going to learn you one thing that simply got here in in one of many discussion groups that I’m in. I believe this was by some means learn within the European Parliament and/or it’s a scientific paper. It says unexplained sudden deaths amongst youngsters and adolescents in Greece. The explanation I’m studying that is that is one instance the place you possibly can see the clear fact of a really unhealthy factor that’s occurring that’s undeniably from the vaccine. After which we might go elsewhere within the panorama and see one thing else. However I’ll simply learn this.
“Greece has not too long ago been shaken by a flood of each day experiences of an unprecedented collection of sudden deaths amongst wholesome youngsters and adolescents. Moreover, forensic specialists are unable to supply any clear rationalization for this. On the similar time, the info from the Greek Statistical Service bear overwhelming proof to what’s occurring, giving rise to severe alarm. The unexplained deaths of 33 youngsters between 5 and 9 years of age and 37 between the ages of 10 and 14 (a complete of 70) have been recorded in 2020, the figures for 2021 being 37 and 43 respectively (a complete of 80). Within the first half of 2022 alone, the variety of youngsters and adolescents aged as much as 19 who’ve died on this approach already totals 138.”
Every part is complicated on this entire factor. As a result of my understanding is wholesome youngsters didn’t get COVID. All of it comes right down to what’s the baseline. And so as a result of there was no such factor as what’s a wholesome individual, for instance, in the USA, as a result of they’ve been poisoning everyone with meals for therefore many many years, so many individuals are simply completely infected and overweight. And they also parlayed that into “everyone goes to die of COVID” as an alternative of a dialog of “what does it imply to be wholesome.”
So my understanding was at all times, what we basically name wholesome youngsters didn’t get affected by COVID in any respect. So if all these youngsters have dropped lifeless in Greece and in different nations, it’s like Houston, we’ve an issue.
I believe it’s crystal clear the vaccine is lethal in those that are…I don’t know if it’s Russian roulette. I don’t know if it’s sizzling lot batches. I don’t know. Completely, the vaccines are devastating for some folks, for a few of all age teams.
However what’s mystifying is what occurred initially in 2020. Positively it was an op. Positively they have been telling folks there was this frightful pandemic upon us, which influenced how and why folks believed they have been sick. However I additionally see that it’s true that folks obtained sick in a approach that was new, that wasn’t a flu, that was very terrifying and really weird. And I can’t personally say I do know what precipitated that.
I’ve pals in numerous camps. Some folks say 5G. Some folks say bioweapons. Some folks say “I consider within the standard COVID mannequin of illness causation.”
All I do know is, I do know who’s messing with our heads and sending out these propaganda storms. And so they’re by no means going to inform us, and we’re in all probability by no means going to unravel it, as a result of that’s additionally within the design.
Yeah, that is sensible to me. And one other kind of apparent lesson from COVID…what I stated earlier about it being primarily based on a US bio-attack on China and Iran, by the best way, it’s not an apparent takeaway. You truly should do somewhat little bit of analysis to come back to that conclusion. However what’s just about apparent from the get-go is that everyone’s takeaway from COVID actually needs to be that we have to shut down the bioweapons labs and put some tooth within the Bioweapons Conference. As a result of a method or one other, these folks would not have our greatest pursuits at coronary heart. Having this group of people that we now know past any doubt, everyone mainstream or non-mainstream is aware of and admits now, that among the folks concerned on this area of producing COVID or being concerned within the closest factor on the market to manufacturing COVID, whether or not or not you consider it was manufactured, these folks did conspire to push a completely unsubstantiated story that it jumped to people from animals. They lied, they conspired, they put that out at a time when, primarily based on their personal emails, we all know that they thought it fairly probably was from a lab. So when you have got the very high of your biowar institution simply mendacity dishonest and stealing like that and getting caught, and you then take a look at the probabilities of what might go flawed with bioweapons analysis, it’s a no-brainer that takeaway primary from from that is shut down these labs. And these labs usually are not simply making ailments, they’re additionally making the hopeful antidotes, proper? If you happen to do a bioweapon, you wish to have one thing that you could possibly jab your inhabitants or your leaders or no matter with in order that solely the enemy or whoever the focused inhabitants is suffers from it. The identical folks would have constructed the virus as would have constructed the vaccine. And once more, they don’t have our greatest curiosity at coronary heart.
Every part is hand in glove, hen and egg. It’s these sequences that go collectively. As you say, they construct the artificial so-called virus or bioweapon already having patented the so-called vaccine, all of it rolls collectively the identical approach 9/11 rolls along with all of the wars. Was it seven nations that we have been going to should (take out in 5 years), the Patriot Act…They do the factor that they should do to create the factor that they’re going to do to roll out the whole lot. We see the identical sample repeatedly and once more.
Typically I’m wondering what was their payout for the JFK assassination? I do know there have been many, however that was in all probability the primary one the place Individuals couldn’t think about why would they probably be doing this. Within the later ops with AIDS, with COVID, and with 9/11, actually, we will see how the conflict machine actually capabilities. And it isn’t a thriller, it’s simply so stunning we will’t settle for it, proper?
With JFK, have you ever checked out James Douglas’s ebook (JFK and the Unspeakable) or Michael Collins Piper’s Remaining Judgment? As a result of these two reveal that JFK actually did go up towards the conflict machine.
Completely.
Each the American and the Israeli conflict machines. And so in these two conflict machines, in all probability some hardliners in each noticed nice advantages in altering who was president. So I don’t suppose that’s a really laborious one to determine in the event you analysis it.
Why do you suppose they did it the best way they did it? To not flip this right into a JFK dialogue, however simply to ask you. Do you see the hallmarks of sacrifice tradition? The way in which they do the whole lot is designed for max trauma, degradation. I see ritualistic sacrifice in a whole lot of it, the place lots of people simply see greed, cash, the conflict machine. However I see one thing occult in all of it, even to the purpose that plainly they virtually intentionally do it proper out within the open.
One in every of these ex-black operator kind guys was on my radio present, Chip Tatum. He’s been on Ole Dammegard’s present a number of occasions. Anyway, he’s the primary person who I heard this from, that the teams behind these items consider that if they provide you advance warning and so they do it in public so that you simply actually ought to know and you then allow them to get away with it, then the unhealthy karma is on you, not on them. It’s some form of ritual occult perception.
Sure, I do know. I used to know the title for that. I can’t consider it proper now. And I like Ole Dammegard quite a bit. And I really feel like as soon as we will actually crack that code, the extra-dimensional, unfathomable aspect to why they do all these items… Typically I’m not even positive I wish to know. However I consider that’s the place the whole lot turns into clear in that dimension of no matter occult faith these folks adhere to that motivates them. That’s the unfathomable. And most of us spend an terrible lot of time making an attempt to place it collectively in accordance with fashions which can be approach too rational.
Yeah, I’m impressed at your grasp of that facet of issues. That’s that every one of this rational evaluation of geopolitics and statistics doesn’t get to the guts of it. I perceive you’re serious about Rene Girard and his work on sacrifice and scapegoating.
Sure. I’m a novice, however I’m fascinated by him. I hearken to interviews about him as typically as I can. However once more I’m a novice.
After I was learning literature, he was one of many folks you learn. And I assumed, wow, this man’s much more attention-grabbing than all these boring deconstructionist nihilists. So I’ve been following him for some time.
What would you say was the very first thing while you kind of cottoned on to him? What was that was like, the aha second that you could possibly apply to the whole lot you’ve skilled your self?
I truly first heard about him earlier than 9/11. At the moment his work was interesting as a result of it truly appeared to elucidate one thing about each literature and actual life. It’s an anthropological idea and it’s additionally a literary idea. One of many methods he found it was that a whole lot of what’s thought-about nice literature truly has this scapegoating-sacrifice paradigm within the background.
And in order that was that was nice as a result of a whole lot of deconstruction and different postmodern approaches on the time have been very dry, nihilistic, solid doubt on whether or not there may be any such factor as actual life or literature for that matter. So right here’s this man who wasn’t afraid to toss out an enormous thought with religious and non secular significance. He and Bakhtin have been in all probability the 2 vital influences I found by means of literary-critical research.
(Girard’s) tackle (sacrifice) is extra anthropological than religious in that he doesn’t actually have a metaphysical perspective. I don’t suppose he ever talks about precise evil forces which can be making the most of these sacrifices. It’s actually simply the folks being introduced collectively by blaming and scapegoating and murdering someone, and that brings their tribe collectively—that’s how human tribes work. After which that entire course of has been tousled by, in his view, the sacrifice of Jesus.
Nonetheless, I believe in the event you plug Girard into one thing that Gordon Duff as soon as instructed me—Gordon Duff being this ex-CIA man that I labored with at Veterans At this time, individuals who obtained offended on the neocons after 9/11, amongst different issues, and he’s been enjoying thoughts video games ever since, mainly within the service of fact and justice for essentially the most half.
Anyway, Gordon has claimed to have had MJ-12 clearance at a sure time within the CIA. So he obtained to see the memos about ETs and UFOs and aliens and stuff like that. And he claims that one of many memos he noticed detailed the existence of an extradimensional entity which feeds on human struggling and interfaces with chosen people by means of satanic ritual and such to create the very human struggling that it feeds on. And in accordance with the CIA memo that Gordon says he learn, this was then defined as, “oh, don’t fear. It’s all simply a part of the nice cosmic ecosystem. Earth is being visited by many dozens if not a whole lot of extraterrestrial and extradimensional species, a lot of that are unpredictable and piratical and so forth. However don’t fear about it. It’s not an enormous deal.” Gordon’s response was, “what do you imply it’s not an enormous deal?”
How completely fascinating what you simply stated. I simply really feel like from head to toe, that has obtained to be true. That’s obtained to be what’s occurring. There’s no different rationalization I can consider for the whole lot I’ve skilled since I started, since I launched into all of this. As a result of all by means of the years of the HIV-AIDS work, what I actually felt was, I’m combating one thing inhuman right here. And it’s so completely inflexible because it’s not human. I can’t enchantment to this factor. While you traumatize a grieving mom who simply misplaced her little one, and also you blame her and you are taking a rigged post-mortem and on and on and on. The cruelty of what I noticed, particularly towards girls and moms…they have been actually merciless and harsh and sociopathic. However past that, it wasn’t simply imply folks, if you’ll, or bold folks or grasping folks. I at all times felt like the entire thing…on the innermost core of it was one thing inhuman. And I might by no means…And but all of us have been coping with it in this sort of rational humanistic enlightenment so-called Western values approach that didn’t apply in any respect. And it wasn’t human.
And naturally, while you speak about issues like this, you’re pushed into the margins of Western tradition. As a result of the official faith of dogmatic secular materialist humanist progressivism doesn’t enable for the notion of evil spirits. However right here within the Islamic world, it’s taken without any consideration that the jinn, these beings of (metaphorical) hearth, exist. They’re some type of extradimensional… possibly there are extraterrestrial “people” too. All of that’s a part of the assumption system right here. Actually, if I have been to disclaim the existence of the jinn I’d be thought-about theologically incorrect. I’d be a little bit of a Muslim heretic. In order that’s one other of the numerous attention-grabbing ways in which the assumption system amongst Muslims is extra comfy to me than the dominant one within the West.
In Islam we consider that there are good jinn and unhealthy jinn. However you don’t wish to mess with them as a result of in the event you do, the unhealthy ones are more likely to come round making an attempt to benefit from you. In response to the view of how magic works in Islamic tradition and possibly another components of the esoteric world as properly, it’s thought-about that magicians have methods of constructing offers with these entities. And very often they do contain unhealthy stuff and even human sacrifice, proper? It’s within the folkloric custom of Morocco, West Africa, and possibly different locations as properly. There are tales of human sacrifice for which then the jinn or no matter entity then give them some reward, corresponding to telling them the place there shall be a buried treasure. After which there’s the darkish shamanism in Latin America which was studied by Neil Whitehead. He was a colleague of mine at College of Wisconsin, and he studied darkish shamanism, which entails a whole lot of actually nasty habits by sure shamans in Central and South America. And he ended up dying an early demise, presumably associated to his space of curiosity.
So anyway, I believe all these items is totally actual. And people of you who’re secular materialists are going to throw rotten fruit at me. It’s okay. Go forward and throw it.
I’m actually glad we’re speaking about this, and completely fascinated by the whole lot you’re saying. I do know for a indisputable fact that one by no means will get there with the rational secular method to all of this. For instance, the HIV dissent critique, what was its (the rip-off’s) motivation? Greed. And I at all times felt like “I don’t suppose these individuals are primarily after the cash. It doesn’t really feel prefer it’s about cash. What might it probably be?” After which folks say management.
However the extradimensional issue is a extremely queasy, creepy form of destruction for the sake of destruction in perpetuity. It’s like revolutionary destructiveness for the sake of it. It’s like a practice observe that you simply simply can’t get on in the event you’re, I assume I’d say, a traditional individual. And I at all times wished to know, who’re you folks? I at all times wished to sit down with one in all them and have them simply please inform me what goes on in your head, in your coronary heart? As a result of they appeared like backward folks. Like they thought and spoke and reasoned backward. And I’ve to say, if we keep kind of within the, like earlier than the additional dimensional realm, if we simply keep right here on earth, their language and what unifies them and the way they impart with one another and the way they do a whole lot of their inversion work is the phenomenon we name woke.
Doesn’t woke remind you of these the AIDS activists who have been screaming, give us medicine, give us medicine?
Oh, my goodness. Completely. And all these years earlier than it was known as woke, there was vaguely one thing folks known as political correctness. There’s a quote, and I used to be actually completely happy that he put the quote in full in Bobby Kennedy’s ebook The Actual Anthony Fauci…it was his deciding to try this ebook that form of crystallized in my thoughts who and the place do I believe Fauci’s darkish energy got here from. I simply posed the query to myself, after which I spotted, ah sure he brings woke into the palace, proper? First it was NIAID, NIH, NCI, all components of the American navy public well being octopus. And in the event you image it, think about it like a potion, like smoke popping out of somewhat secret vial that he uncorks. What’s the magic potion? Properly, it’s that when… A scientist speaks as a scientist. We gave this individual this substance and so they died. We examined this substance. This occurred, X occurred. In different phrases, the standard world as we thought we knew it.
What Fauci’s woke does when it applies to all these items is it renders the whole lot one thing else. So, for instance, when scientists have been making an attempt to say, possibly as early because the late 70s, undoubtedly early 80s, homosexual males who have been getting sick from what they then have been calling homosexual most cancers. Let’s look what all of them did. Did all of them ingest poppers? Have been all of them drug addicts? Have been all of them bathhouse extremists? What have been all of them doing that possibly didn’t work biologically?
So Fauci’s Woke is available in and says: There’s no such factor as a way of life illness. We’re all equally topic to this. And Gallo was on board with the woke-speak as utilized to AIDS too. So that you get all these campaigns: “All of us have AIDS.” So it grew to become this a part of the faith of AIDS, this loopy obsession to say, you possibly can’t say something about who’s getting it or why. We have now to faux we’re all equally affected and weak to it and we might all get it, as a result of we needed to take away the so-called judgment, which additionally meant eradicating the trigger and the treatment and the the whole lot. So now you’re simply nowhere. You’re simply misplaced. And that was thought-about being an excellent individual. Simply whole fog.
I believe René Girard’s work does assist clarify how this weird state of affairs developed. He theorizes that post-Christianity, cultures have increasingly recognized with scapegoats and marginalized and persecuted figures. However they don’t at all times do it very intelligently. They will go flawed. And they are often manipulated in who they think about is marginalized and persecuted. This infatuation for marginalized persecuted folks, which grew to become a sure strand of the postmodern motion 30 or 40 years in the past—Foucault, in fact, was notably lionized for that—they appeared to mainly see folks with uncommon sexual habits, individuals who was known as sexual deviants—however you actually would by no means wish to say that now—are this persecuted class, so that they turn out to be sacred. There’s a spiritual hysteria that develops round following guidelines about how you concentrate on and speak about such folks. We see that with the AIDS state of affairs, and we see that with woke right now, with gender bending and intercourse surgical procedure for for minors and all that kind of factor.
Yeah, precisely. Sacred. That’s a that’s a extremely good phrase to explain the unimaginable standing of those so-called persecuted (classes). In order that they’re stated to be persecuted. However within the Fauci woke, simply to stay to that for a second, with the newly constructed universe, they turn out to be worshipped. They turn out to be saints. They’re form of sacred scapegoat figures. It’s so weird. And likewise what we see, what he’s so attention-grabbing about is how a scapegoat is sacrificed, after which after the sacrifice is revered and worshipped. And also you truly see that in JFK, proper? We all know that the identical individuals who organized for his sacrifice are the identical individuals who, I assume I’d say, permitted (his posthumous deification). Although there ought to be large admiration for JFK. I don’t know in the event you’ve seen this movie, 4 Died Making an attempt.
, I haven’t seen that but. I actually ought to as a result of I do know these tales, in fact.
Yeah, Libby Hendress and John Kirby. It’s actually wonderful. So all 4 of these, JFK, RFK, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, are in truth very, let’s say…very admired. They aren’t formally pariahed, and but they have been sacrificed. And everyone knows this, proper? Isn’t this Rene Girard that I’m speaking about right here? It’s just like the double impact. It’s kind of like they kill them after which they are saying, “right here, now we’ve killed them, now you possibly can worship them.”
Proper. We title avenues after Martin Luther King Jr. and put up busts of JFK in every single place, after which enable an enormous Hollywood movie about Malcolm X to turn out to be extremely popular and even persuade a good variety of younger folks to transform to Islam. All of that they’ll dwell with, despite the fact that they needed to kill these guys. However we’re not likely supposed to concentrate to the a part of this system of these guys that obtained them killed, proper? We’re presupposed to kind of gloss that over.
Completely. By no means speak about specifics in any of this. It’s… It’s… We make ourselves loopy making an attempt to grasp them or suppose like them. So what can we do within the midst of all this? I’m positive you ask your self each day additionally. Did they design all this? It actually feels that technique to me. I assume I’m going to say there’s no fixing the Rubik’s dice. There’s no setting issues proper. There’s no attending to the underside of issues. However what we will see is patterns. What we name psyops, for instance. We make ourselves loopy making an attempt to grasp them or suppose like them.
what I typically take a look at what we name psyops—for instance, the 9/11 hijackers, the place they’re very sloppy with their psyops. They’re very sloppy to start with. However to start with, we’re all so traumatized that it is sensible, proper? As a result of they’ve studied our brains a lot by means of MKUltra and the whole lot, so that they know. And I believed 9/11, like most individuals. It’s simply unimaginable. However I assume that’s what occurred. I can’t consider that I believed it, however I did. , for a number of years. I typically say like if you wish to see a PSYOP, give it 20 years after which watch how the again finish of it simply falls off and you’ll see the entire thing.
So what do I imply by that? With 9/11 the PSYOP…And now I’m talking as someone who’s down right here on the bottom degree, not the place you’re, the place you’ve studied it a lot, simply fundamental folks making an attempt to grasp 9/11. The again finish of the PSYOP with 9/11 falls off as a result of they at all times instructed us that these Islamic extremists hated us for our freedoms and wished to destroy us as a result of we symbolize freedom and so they can’t stand it as a result of they’ll’t have that so that they should destroy us. So excuse me, however what occurred? So did they pulled off 9/11 and never hate us for our freedoms anymore? Or it’s throughout as a result of they obtained Osama bin Laden? It’s simply so sloppy. It doesn’t add up in any respect.
The entire they-hate-our-freedoms factor was so absurd from the get-go.
Identical to “in the event you love someone, you’ll put on a condom each time,” you realize, that was the fashion. It doesn’t add up in any respect. Like with AIDS, the bottom of the idea was—“idea” is giving it approach an excessive amount of credit score, so I’ll say the phrase too many occasions. The bottom of the PSYOP was: Each sexual encounter between any two folks, and please know that heterosexuals are not any completely different, they’ll get it. It’s everyone’s illness, et cetera, et cetera. Any damaged condom. And also you don’t know who you’re sleeping with. OK, anybody can get it. After which when you get it, like Russian roulette, you flip up HIV constructive and you then die. And it modified from like one yr, two years, 5 years, 10 years. It stretched all the best way to 30 years.
Let’s give them that. Go away that apart. Very stretchy, very stretchy, infinitely stretchy, and so they can at all times stretch it to accommodate no matter a part of the bottom of it simply fell off.
However flash ahead now. Gosh, between 1984 and right now, I don’t know precisely what number of years, however many, many, let’s see, about 40, proper? Why didn’t Invoice Clinton get AIDS? Why didn’t Jeffrey Epstein get AIDS? Why didn’t Mick Jagger get AIDS? Why didn’t Iggy Pop get it?
Iggy Pop’s nonetheless in fairly good condition.
Iggy Pop as soon as instructed me that again within the 90s they wished him to do a condom industrial for AIDS and he wouldn’t do it. “Oh no, I’m not going to do the industrial.” However what I’m making an attempt to say is the place is the heterosexual AIDS pandemic that was ready and gonna occur. If you happen to have been an excellent individual you believed in it. No one talks about it anymore.
It’s much more politically incorrect now to speak concerning the sociological elements concerned on this. All of us who lived in San Francisco from 1980 by means of 1993—all of us knew that a whole lot of these homosexual guys have been insanely promiscuous. And also you had statistics backing that up: a whole lot of sexual companions per yr, if not over a thousand in lots of circumstances and so forth. And whereas the females, the lesbians, had intercourse one thing like 3 times a yr on the typical. Big, large distinction between male gay habits and feminine gay habits. Perhaps this has one thing to do with the truth that women and men, for essentially the most half, usually are heterosexual. And that the male predilection for testosterone-driven promiscuity will get tempered by the feminine predisposition for extra intimacy and character and issues like that.
Now we’re not allowed to acknowledge that women and men are completely different, despite the fact that widespread sense and science have lengthy since confirmed it. And that appears to be a part of the identical form of mass-hysteria-driven operation, this conflict on conventional genders and finally on copy. Regular human society is all primarily based on reproductive households and prolonged households, that are tribes, that are the essential constructing blocks of societies. And that form of regular reproductive-based human society looks as if it’s beneath assault by someone who actually hates it.
I believe the AIDS operation was not only a prequel to COVID, however possibly extra menacingly a prequel to the Transgender Inc. motion. And there’s quite a bit in that growth that I believe none of us can wrap our heads round but. However all of those agendas are linked. And you realize them by their…like when issues simply make no sense, and also you’re not allowed to say that. For instance what you stated was completely true about male homosexual promiscuity. However I used to be actually flogged and educated and overwhelmed: “You’ll be able to’t say promiscuity.” What am I allowed to say? And I used to be largely immune to those criticisms. However along with not being allowed to say that homosexual males have been promiscuous, you needed to have fun the truth that they themselves have been flaunting and brandishing their promiscuity because the dominant a part of the tradition, just like the sexual story of America. In order that they have been allowed to form of delight in that id, with homosexual satisfaction and the whole lot, however you weren’t allowed to say, okay, so you have got much more intercourse than heterosexual folks do who’re simply having jobs and coming dwelling. So possibly we’re not similar when it comes to an epidemiological group. So that you’re additionally not allowed to say that. It’s just like the woke quadruple gotcha entice.
I believe individuals are actually weak to those issues as a result of a lot of regular social interplay entails having to comfortable pedal sure issues to sure folks in our lives with a view to get together with them. So we’ve these built-in propensities to seek out methods of not saying what we actually suppose, not simply blurting out the complete stark fact. And boy, that’s been weaponized. And so they’ve constructed applied sciences to seize that tendency in our brains and simply actually run with it. And so we’re not allowed to suppose all of those ideas that might threaten the powers that be. It’s maddening.
It’s abusive. It’s very abusive. I believe the best way to get forward of all of it, or to get on the correct aspect of it, is to declare it fascinating as an alternative of traumatizing. It’s each.
One of many laborious components of quashing conspiracy theories is that conspiracy theories are so attention-grabbing, and form of even entertaining, that individuals are simply so serious about them. And so a lot of them truly grow to be true. It’s actually laborious for these people who find themselves making an attempt to maintain all these items beneath wraps.
Yeah, that’s why I really feel psyops crumble. Only a few folks consider the official idea of JFK’s assassination. They will’t domesticate each psyop backyard ceaselessly. They should allow them to go over time. So in all probability the most effective likelihood of attending to the underside of any of them is ready till they’re 50 years out.
And the most effective likelihood of mitigating their affect is to leap on it 10 seconds after it occurs and simply blast out your skepticism as laborious as you possibly can. However then know that you could be not truly get to the reality for 50 years, if ever. I ended up caught on this as a result of they simply maintain doing these items. In 2015, once they did Charlie Hebdo and the follow-ups, at that time, I’d discovered my lesson that you simply wish to react rapidly. With 9/11, I didn’t even actually decide up on it very a lot for a few years. However with Charlie Hebdo, in six weeks, I had a ebook out about it.
Actually?
Yeah.
I’m not aware of that one, however I’m guessing it was one other pack of lies.
Someplace between the entire thing being completely mainly staged or choreographed, or on the very least, some Western intelligence providers had their hooks within the guys who shot the cartoonists and made or let it occur, some mixture thereof. That’s the brief model of it.
Oh, boy.
Properly, you realize, Celia, we’ve been on for (occurring) two hours. That’s longer than I often do exhibits. However in your case, I’m very completely happy to increase the present. And there’s in all probability nonetheless some issues that we might get to. We haven’t actually gotten too deeply into the religious dimension of this. What’s the choice to the technocratic evil that we’re speaking about? Is there a constructive religious different? I want to suppose so.
My religious reply is to start to extricate myself from wanting outward on the crimes and sins of others and take a look at myself as an alternative. To not the exclusion of that, however as a approach of coming to peace and being like Christians say you wish to be: a blessing and never a curse. You wish to be a blessing. You wish to be a blessing to the world, to the folks round you. I really feel personally that I’ve been too overtaken by this conflict, these completely different wars. And I need an actual human life as a human being. And I wish to…in some methods I wish to give up. I don’t precisely imply admit defeat…however I imply, yeah, admit defeat that I’m by no means going to crack all this. None of us are. I believe it’s actually nice that we’ve performed all this work, however now I wish to do the interior work.
A number of weeks in the past I attended a Russian Orthodox church right here in New York. After which I used to be away for a few weeks, so I couldn’t return. I can’t wait to return. And so they gave me some brief books. And in one in all them it talks about—and I’ve heard this from Catholics, I used to be an unsuccessful late-in-life Catholic—concerning the significance of repentance and confession. However after I learn it in these Russian Orthodox textbooks, I felt that was defined to me in a approach that I actually resonate with.
And in a roundabout way, I believe it may be a part of only a trauma response to always be making an attempt to cope with these gargantuan black mountains of lies. And it may possibly actually change you in such a approach that you simply’re now not the individual that you wish to be. And also you go searching and also you’ve possibly unfold trauma to your loved ones or pals, poverty, all of the issues that kind of include the terrain. And I’m making an attempt to cease myself in time. I’m not repenting for the work that I did. However…properly, all of us have repentance occurring whether or not we name it that or not. That to me is quite a bit tougher than the work that I’ve performed up to now. And that’s the mountain I wish to confront now.
Yeah, I can completely relate to that. While you’re doing this sort of work, the anxiousness and trauma inevitably comes with it. And also you’re an agent of spreading destructive emotions to folks. And it may possibly mess together with your private life and make you query, is it even price making an attempt to inform the reality about all these items? They used to name David Ray Griffin the bearer of of unhealthy tidings, the alternative of the evangelist bringing excellent news. These of us telling the reality about these items are bringing unhealthy information, however finally, I prefer to suppose that it’s for the higher good.
Properly, that, that was very, very superbly put.
I want you the most effective and blessings in your subsequent stage of this, and I believe Orthodoxy sounds very wealthy. Have you ever learn Tikhon’s On a regular basis Saints?
I’ve not. I’ll be aware of that.
It’s a really readable ebook concerning the lifetime of Orthodox monks in Russia. Tikhon has been known as Putin’s religious advisor, amongst different issues. And I hope he’s. As a result of it could be good if a world chief at that degree had someone like Tikhon advising him.
I do suppose this in closing: Many, many individuals in our panorama of, let’s simply say, fact seekers and fact warriors, could also be conflicted for very legitimate causes about for instance, Christianity, whether or not they have been raised Catholic and traumatized and so forth and so forth. I’ll say that I really feel there’s no query that our opposition in all of that is, I’m not going to say atheist secular, however at conflict with…I’ll simply say at conflict with God and the pure world. And so in that sense, I truly really feel like, it has been stated and I’ll repeat it: This can be a religious battle. That is religious warfare that we’re conditioned to see as earthly warfare. As a Christian, I see the satanic in all of it. And that phrase bothers a whole lot of rational folks, however that’s what I see. And so after I counter it, after I’m good, it implies that I’m simply bringing extra prayer into my life once more to make myself extra of a vessel of peace and concord.
Amen, sister. I adore it. That’s an exquisite word to finish on. We by no means even obtained to speak about your work with OJ Simpson, however we’ll save that. Simply let or not it’s identified that you simply’ve performed among the most vital writing on that matter as properly. And he simply occurred to go away a number of days in the past. I observed that and I questioned if I ought to speak about him on the present. Then I assumed, yeah, in all probability not. Your different stuff is extra vital.
Properly, let’s use it as like a bridge to a risk of getting one other dialog.
There you go. We’ve obtained to speak about OJ another day. Okay, properly, thanks, Celia Farber. It’s been fantastic. I actually admire your braveness and tenacity on this work. Your Substack is celiafarber.substack.com. Extremely really useful. If I haven’t formally really useful you at Substack, I’ll actually accomplish that.
Oh, Kevin, it’s been such a delight to talk to you.
